When I posted this on the USENET, several folks wrote back with some good suggestions. The best ones seemed to imply that a blackbody radiator would need to be pretty hot to bleed off enough energy as light. But are LED's blackbody radiators?
In any case, I'm just posting this here so I know where to find it in the future. Feel free to explain to me whether this idea should be deleted completely.
Path: newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Peter WaynerNewsgroups: comp.arch,sci.physics,sci.engr.semiconductors,sci.electronics.design Subject: Can We Evacuate Semiconductor Heat As Light? Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:25:00 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" X-ELN-Date: 18 Nov 1999 15:31:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Nov 18 07:35:05 1999 Organization: Flyzone.com Lines: 86 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: pcw@flyzone.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip175.baltimore20.md.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <38341A35.76BDB594@flyzone.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: nntp.earthlink.net comp.arch:50464 sci.physics:335322 sci.engr.semiconductors:16055 sci.electronics.design:151178 I had an interesting idea about the heat problem with chips. It might be very dumb, but it's stuck in my brain. Sometimes the only way to cure these brain fevers is to post the ideas to the Net and see if anyone can shoot them down. One way to analyze the behavior of the transistors on a chip is by watching for photons coming from the transistors. This is a great way to diagnose clock skew and other timing problems. Apparently some transistors discharge energy as photons when switched. This makes sense because LED are just diodes and diodes are just transistors. I wonder if anyone knows what fraction of energy is dissapated as photons and what comes off as heat. Can this fraction be adjusted so that most of the energy comes off as light? I think that it can because LEDs are so efficient that they're replacing light bulbs in lowpower applications. A better question is whether the dissapation can be adjusted in transistors that make good computers. That is, can we take the transistors on a G4 or a Pentium and modify the construction so they radiate a significant fraction of their waste energy as photons? This would have two advantages. First, the old EPROM packaging with a window over the chip could be revitalized. I would think that light is a significantly more efficient way to evacuate the waste energy from a chip. Heat sinks and fans are a pain. There's no way that convection moves at the speed of light. We could go back to the days of vacuum tubes when circuitry glowed. The movie directors who have to shoot endless beige boxes would love us! Good bye Dell beige, hello WOPPR. The new transparent iMacs will really light up! The second potential advantage would be the opportunity to recycle the energy. A mirror or some other device could focus this light on a solar cell so the photons could be converted back to electrons. Perhaps a parabolic shaped reflector on top of a chip could focus the waste photons on a solar cell in the center of the chip. I suspect that there are many obstacles in creating these transistors and packing them together on a chip. The part of the transistor that radiates the light must be exposed. Unfortunately, the desire to shorten the distance between transistors means that many chip designers are creating vertical transistors that pack neatly. The chip skylines are looking more like New York City and less like suburbia. Where would you rather sunbathe? Maybe the transistors can be built up on towers of silicon imitating the same way that windows cover the skyscrapers? There are also more complicated questions about the switching speed and the potential energy of the electrons. Perhaps other design considerations would push the bulk of the radiation into parts of the spectrum that annoy the FCC. Alas, my physics is a bit rusty. There are details, however, that I think could be worked out. At the very least, this should be interesting design consideration that could solve heat problems and perhaps make it feasible to recycle a significant fraction of the power used in computation. If anyone has any ideas on the topic, I hope they will write me. Please shoot this down if you can. Peter Wayner pcw@flyzone.com
Path: newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Peter WaynerNewsgroups: comp.arch,sci.physics,sci.electronics.design,sci.engr.semiconductors Subject: Can We Evacuate SemiCon Heat as Light II Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:08:12 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" X-ELN-Date: 19 Nov 1999 22:14:11 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Nov 19 14:15:30 1999 Organization: Flyzone.com Lines: 50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: pcw@flyzone.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip105.baltimore20.md.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <3835CA00.7F440DD1@flyzone.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: nntp.earthlink.net comp.arch:50519 sci.physics:335644 sci.electronics.design:151425 sci.engr.semiconductors:16084 Okay, many people have sent in some very good responses to my question of whether silicon chips can restructured to radiate light instead of heat. Thanks! The best I've heard include: 1) The heat flux is pretty large. A perfect black body radiator would need to be 1300K to give off the approximately 15W/cm^2 of a G4. 2) Silicon doesn't give off photons in the visible range. 3) Transistors only shed the photons when they're 'overloaded' by too many electrons. 4) Recycling the radiant heat takes too much effort because of that old Entropy. (Slogan for Physics Depts: We make laws even Bill Clinton can't bend.) I considered just shutting my mouth, but I decided to open it again because I'm curious. Anyone who wants to give me a few more lessons in physics is welcome to answer. Thanks! A) (1) and (4) certainly argue against successfully converting 100% of the waste energy into light. But what about 20% or 10%? Would that be economically worth it? Lowering the termperature makes it easier to drive CMOS faster. B) (2) suggests that most of the radiation comes off in the IR. This might be recyclable with an IR CCD array, but it would be more difficult to exhaust as pure 'light'. If I remember correctly, there aren't many air tight materials that are also transparent to IR radiation. Or would a quartz window do the trick? C) (3) may be a problem with conventional transistors, but can new designs change the boundaries? Any comments are always appreciated.